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Come to another episode of death run to call takers Adventures Travelers on te preparas and simply mind bogglers my name is Tolson Jacoby and I'm your host 3050 you for this I'm really trying to find an essence of Entrepreneurship So I myself have been an entrepreneur for almost 20 years and you know we talked about that and I'll quit call the last three to find out is what inspired other entrepreneurs why did they learn to see the world the way you see it now what country food in terms of what is the rationale is the logic that the applied to the world and what helped them which is the big challenges entrepreneur to predict the world and then produce something in order to sell it to people before everyone else even knew that they wanted and this is life cycle as an entrepreneur it's is as a risk-taker I'm less interested in the two soft things of this world because I feel they don't take enough risk personally I'm more interested in Janesville investor is a bad thing I'm just saying that the money and do your own Fade with your own but the only loyalty towards something in your life of this is really what this podcast is about the when do you make a judgment call in your life and one you did this what happened and I was going to go much deeper into some of the topics that like the specific thing you're working on so that's that should be our entry into this discussion we can go from wherever you want but that's kind of the 30,000 video yeah yeah it doesn't there's a lot of things do you have the notes pain from last time of course yeah it's like Twitter people say they don't know what happened 2 hours ago they definitely don't know what happened yesterday it's a big mystery this thing it's only like a few words and then we'll jump into this this episode of Jack McCall it's fun as premium full disclosure this is my business travel deals to do really want and it finds the mass they happen between 450000 hours every day to give you the best deal with an economy premium economy business and First Class B also make recommendations for four and five star hotels all over the planet when they are much cheaper than they usually are a thousand subscribers have saved more than 95% in the effort to get an effluent business class lie-flat transcontinental using audio in case you didn't know Americans Europeans and many other nationalities cannot travel to mode at 80 destinations again to give it a shot and try of Might each other's premium for free for 30 days today you can sign up at my T travels.com MTP of everyone who's trouble with all the characters go to MTP for you that's just five characters MTP for you.com and sign up for you 30 day free trial for the software development background, San Francisco is working on the framework to replace the crazy internet monopolies we all love and hate like Facebook Twitter Google I need a Lyft and Uber self that's going to be very interesting great to have you all are you hey thanks for having me and well hope you are very well that sounds like a really big undertaking you you put up in front of you there. How does this work and I think you call it a baked right awake yes tell me more about it is it this sounds like a creepy undertaking sounds like you you couldn't sleep for a long time I came up with this Yes Yes actually I it's really not dreaming so can I guess what is a week that's what I say so lyrics like world where they're plugged into their belief systems and that allows them to feel comfortable but it totally blinds them from reality so that's been a hun I mean so that's when that brought away for me I woke up that's kind of what I say when somebody ask me what do you mean and I say you know meditation and all these words people have come across but they don't know what it means because meditation is the space between thoughts how do you get there using the mind you know people and through meditation is of the no mind space everything I know about meditation. To be honest everything is from Sam Harris but I listen to this podcast and some of his meditation podcast and that's kind of far as I got the meditation so I do understand basic concept but I can't really I haven't I haven't really done it myself to an extent that I felt I I I got anything out of it from what I understand that takes a lot of practice until you get to that stage where you but you get something back like a few hundred times and never got there so I gave a bit early probably like everyone else are you are you at you're meditating everyday so you see the reason it's called a practice is after a while you don't need it all the rules of the things you know you're making sure you don't forget something you don't bump into somebody you know you're very scared you're not driving anymore just following instructions that tell you what to do when someone's at some point the practice become so Flawless that you don't even think about it the correct Okay so another word sometimes you don't even know you're driving and you're driving for a long time and you I think it was something else entirely and you reach home or whatever the flow state of no-mind action is automatically yep you know so with meditation comes the ability to remain in the Flow State okay what what what what what does it give you does it give you come from what I understood it gives you an ability to not be bothered by by thoughts that kind of go into any direction you you have the ability to add peas and the index date and you reduce anxiety and you have to eat the ability to focus on what's really important I need to shut off these voices in your head that keep telling you or I'll just go bigger go harder is what happens in factors that you're talking about is actually based on fear it's always a fearful voice that says what will happen though what will happen to me tomorrow what's about to happen in a security ID or if you know you know the so-called false self is actually this this bundle of hearts that have ideas and beliefs about what is reality and what will happen in not have been what's okay and not okay and all the stuff that we call you know that's such a turd all the time that happens yeah if that is not there then what is that you know your Clarity of seeing you see the world exactly as it is so you asked me how come and taken one in a Facebook in a uber and this all the platforms because the way you fake it on by not taking them on at all there's no taking on so in a week the software what it does is it simply seize the word correctly not true beliefs that Facebook or Google or anybody else's something to take on or is even in the way and I'll explain that briefly and we'll come back to meditation if you want but very very briefly on the internet when you say the word internet imagen de Santo Dove Network you know where to connect to the internet networks that nobody's really all the countries okay so we are on the internet means we're on some of the Network's you're either on the Comcast network to connect to it or you go to Facebook and you're on the Facebook network over there social network Ariana Media news network network network network everything is the network and two together online because they all speak HTTP which is the open protocol they're all composing the so-called internet work the internet there's no actual internet there's only the different network using internet people on either in reality pressure at home and are virtual private Network or in there but each of those walled Gardens you know AOL was as big as the first one day verse success story for a long time Rudy fixing what was broken with the internet I use the internet in the early 90s and a lot of things were broken that if you run a software developer of the rate of Colfax isn't there was no no browser is sword the process of America Corporate crap if it's slow and you didn't know if it was one big image that would kind of ruin the whole experience fix that so they came up with a solution that they could control and improve the user experience so much that it took off for Wild Ones everyone caught up to it they were useless and everyone was like why do I pay for this I can just get this for free Yahoo so so I do understand that so far I think what has happened with the big internet monopolies as a Facebook Beaver all waiting for that point when we felt like Facebook would kind of lose this competitive action would just kind of dissolved like AOL has into two general internet again how much never happened somehow a date and we going to get into this in terms of how they actually make money which I think most most people don't know I'm putting my list is there's a lot of Dirty Secrets there but the the time so far for Facebook that they back kind of dissolve put a pool of Internet someone hasn't happened and I wonder why but you seem to have an answer for this exactly correct so that is a software solution I will explain now which is why it makes it Unstoppable like blockchain but we come to that in a second definitely you know truly what you said you know about The Whole30 secrets and stuff I mean unfortunately I'm in awe like I say sometimes two people can I renew my AIS knocking on my first version of the a I was literally you know for converting people to buy more I worked at a startup that was sold to Staples and then Staples across was sold to a private Equity Firm and it's not dying so that eventually that's a I was bothering everyone that wasn't Amazon you know we were bothering the likes of group on an eBay and you know Staples and many many many many others and Daddy I was it was basically meant to convertible conversion Marketing in River using price and all the other upselling cross-selling and you know behavioral targeting an estimation and how quickly you'll get an item and that will convert at a significantly higher rate example on eBay that little fast and big green tractor the bill that's a software version of that was my phone and to give them an absurd amount of left because it's pure software certainly showing you that you'll get this item in one day or something like that long time ago so then they didn't have all this complicated stuff right and even now if you want all that stuff is a huge amount of investment but the software solution almost zero yeah yeah but save it for the Amazon they can use that the logistical background that the back door on that they build over the years and they don't allow anyone else to access they do they make use of UPS and FedEx but they don't let any competitors uses their back pain of logistics actually drop your stuff off and it's fulfilled by Amazon Amazon web services they totally let you use the computer price half the world is not built on Amazon and then you know Google and everybody else like state-of-the-art when it comes to cloud and you know all the other services in the cloud Technologies hang on so is Walmart able to say they just use you said Amazon Logistics I didn't know that I'm obviously using data Cloud a lot but Walmart could go to Amazon Logistics and just under cost-competitive Aces run basically the whole Logistics backbone for home shipping through that for that Walmart plus that's something yeah but that's what she'll give them the data right that means you give them your last supply chain is your only competitive Advantage why you think that Facebook is so successful in Appling all these guys because they have so much data about people doing stuff behind Air Supply Chain that's a lot of information I mean that's not even if they claim that you know how they don't actually see it and all that stuff I mean you know if I'm a competent to stand for public company stand point it's not possible but one more thing if it be going to what is he going to Facebook but what I didn't know is literally any a baby always think I do you go to Facebook you click on the link and I was he Facebook's going to track that song and I was like okay well I don't care if they give me better at Spence Soviet people don't know is that about 50% of all apps and many of them have not even a Facebook login have something you can call it a spyware it's and it's a software development kit developed by Facebook that given the right permissions and most apps get those permissions it sends data directly to Facebook about that uses it as a unique idea of that the wisest is a does your geolocation does whatever you did with this app and that woman is being sent to Facebook is also being sent to the active but Facebook it's the same data and that works even if you are not locked into Facebook never locked in on this device with Facebook the app just sensitive anyways to Facebook and in the background it matches it back to your potential advertise identity then later on Facebook uses for better advertising they say I'm not really sure what else they going to use it for what it's a credible amount of treasure trophies especially coming from smartphone so maybe do a lesser extent but do you mind if they died they get on smartphones because they're selling sensors on acceleration sensor as they know where you've been GPS sensors that that is something people think Facebook data only appears when they interact with the Facebook website but that's actually when you just dude is Facebook worth will never be possible would be small operation but they are inside every single app and they just they can resell that data to can mine that they can do whatever they want but it isn't crazy thing right Facebook is the biggest platform that does this because they're so big but this basic thing that you talked about the data exchanging and that hold data market please work because third-party data markets these are like the Staples of the internet not stable company but they like the foundational you know this is always been the case they talk about everybody they know and all the things they know and if I feel like Target and Target and all that that's like that's that's what the internet in the internet targeting and all that stuff is all about and your Facebook pixel which you can eat out they actually expand outside of just two Facebook apps but outside of you know just their own properties in to anyone using the Facebook pixel any of the pixel. You know that that you can use to track it support parties you know if you look at the technology and stay right here so early bird that has a new oil and all that absolutely 100% true 100% sure everything that you say privacy things in it and all that right one thing that's strange and rules around your own data and all that stuff no good and bad right everything is good in bed so if you're looking for the Apple the kind of data Apple has the world's biggest company the app has glasses and do you know the sensors on the visor and all the stuff that we haven't even heard of yet but it's all coming is going to use lidar which is the same thing Tesla uses to like not the street when it drives everything you are walking around and seeing your house at your office with your people at super high resolution pictures and it knows what you're looking at in your home it knows everything specially which means you might have seen this time earnings report in Facebook Mark Zuckerberg said that the Apple killing the third party cookies going to have an impact on the Scoville level stats his real concern it's obviously that is going to impact the ad business yeah I would be concerned about Facebook stock because he actually use a bands of the Facebook website isn't isn't growing for a while anymore and I feel that you totally use it hasn't been growing a long time too and it's actually falling quite a bit so the deity corsi p.m. I would say of what would Facebook and sell at against on their platform to say it might be $5 in international markets might be much lower so the if they have taken can crank it up with personalized ads but it might be 15 but that's still a very difficult business to make it work I'm especially if you go outside the US with the cpm's how much much slower so in and lots of business and not the places where Facebook is active might not even people have to deliver traffic because you have a monetize it give me the most of the ends of the plant that was always my Facebook they have overcome this with this huge spying exercise I'm not sure they can still do it in the end of future room and if it's just one more thing that I realized I did download my quad test day. One of those third-party apps that is just like you said there's a lot of them and they had checking browser history of pretty much any website I visited Wallace populist what's a 50% and Furious and had pretty much every visit I was like really amazed at least the day salad they give you the day that would it sell it to The Clique stream so you and if you've been on this website you also interested in this website in at that one and two thousands of McFlurries where might they dimetric EXT I was amazed How Deep The dadaism that's that have you met spec against you so you have a service like life from that matches it back against you even if you use a new browser or you sign up from a different device whatever you do with that's that they double never go away so that's the you know coming data privacy Wars which are being part right now for the battle of the Soul so to speak of the consumer and therefore of the consumer internet you know which is everything I told you nobody knows that everybody but isn't that in the terms of service when you click I accept them every website was putting this into a public domain I might be Vicki leekx when did all this data ended up at the end of that was never a I mean I never doubted it would end up there I just was blown away how How Deep The analysis packages so that the way that they did really make use of every single piece of data so it doesn't get lost that's what I'm trying to say always be always knew they'd understand is being transmitted sexually being analyzed again and again and again that that's still meso so how do I get rid of these monopolies what was what the elevator pitch so I I want a better Uber and Lyft I think it's terrible to just have two small plate or the same as Facebook what do we all do to make this more democratic yep the question so you see what our technology does is it fixes the internet the internet as I mentioned is not that there's no single internet because there are all these different Networks awake is actually a set of new protocols that work with the HTTP in tonight by the way exactly thank you so nice so you know that all these big guys have acted as I've become gay people right and so it's a very very expensive internet for the small business for you and me to do business what is the big deal while still paying this is in a one question and on top of that small business has to drive I was there not doing it was a time when it was not attacked was because you know what they give you a lot of sales and you think that it wasn't for those incremental sales and then you put something on there and then around the world and therefore everything they could do together that's cool but as you said like people say that are monopolies obviously being a capitalist I don't believe that right because it's playing tonight in what is the point if they're going to shift in Consciousness it's not a monopoly to utility yeah buddy utility at I mean the utilities usually organized is a monopoly so that's that because it's benefits of Monopoly they can literally you know argue the point you know I think that's been recently and people were always say oh you know you don't pay for it but nobody pays for Google did they literally only have a few thousand customers will probably more than that a few hundred thousand who are the advertisers and he's a Capital C know what they're doing or if that's too expensive and a lot of people drop out of at 4 it's I was used by a rat or it's a completely dropped out of it and a lot of people anyone else consumers they almost never pay for Google there's a few websites we can pay for but you really have to find yourself to be in that spot people are like so it's free and it's definitely better than paid subscriptions on that since what a consumer how can that be Wars and a simple answer is all what you don't know is that given that Monopoly at the amount of anyways to be could have seen and all the you you mentioned that before it is so many things that could have spawned it so many Innovations of you should have seen in the last 10 years did someone ever made it that they can help back but he's monopolies and baby can play with the semantic to say Odyssey utility and should be treated as utility and I'm with you there but it sounds different people to use electricity for I feel pretty cheap maybe even in California giving our our lessons and you know of Atlanta GA and I don't feel the correct that a lot of favors Facebook and Google X is really fostering Innovation or nothing they don't do it at all but it's there right now they want YouTubers because they need more Channel more content for for YouTube in in like 5 years it going to throw this back and there's going to be easy renovation of that space so that happened to with Facebook that happened with pretty much anything that there's a regular website for a while and then the day comes of this hell we are not going to shove it and use it anymore because we thought so don't worry about it it's all about engagement so that argument and in my mind is huge but it's very difficult to quantify doesn't saying okay we haven't seen a ton of innovation which I feel is absolutely true even in Silicon Valley does unicorns were basically useless off my money for leverage themselves Oblivion and then defraud retail investor but the you can say that the 90s there was too much too much Euphoria and it was all crazy and I agree with that but in between you should have seen this technology rolling out from thousand hundreds of thousands entrepreneurs would like probably very special specialized solutions that stream of innovation in the last 10 years a great I mean you look at what's come out of Silicon Valley in the last 10 years and it's always take turkey type stuff in a billion dollars that seems like they do it because they can control the fuel pipeline right that's the way they make a deal with with Goldman Sachs but I know I get 75 billion out if the market and if it does I'll get another two years and then I make my money back so because nobody else have they stopped my money right does it shut down due to a message to put that much money into these startups oh yeah this is it so I'm telling you now how to bring an unlimited amount of money into the markets and how to fix these crazy utility Monopoly do you know companies that's why there's so many different internet okay so what was the promise of the original internet peer-to-peer Commerce the final you know Frontier of empowerment and all that is that the gay people disappear and were able to directly to trade with anybody else you know it's not just the ultimate is the consumer-to-consumer economy is weed directly yeah okay so that's the promise of a single internet without Gatekeepers that's TD absolute ideal there's a lot of lot of building blocks in between that people need in order to get there right so I'm coming in awake has created a set of software solutions that manifest themselves as a single login login with Facebook login with Google login with Apple ID login with awake when you do that you're suddenly part of a new internet where whatever it is you do they move digital media around HTTP content is moving around from person to person and someone created somebody moves it and the distribution of this digital media happens in a variety of ways I could call you I could send it to you on a text message I could put it on Facebook I would be interested I could put on WhatsApp original Tik Tok or YouTube or Twitter or anywhere when you log into a wake suddenly anything and do within our internet in a way that we give you a call I want to take a look at it like PayPal for Apple pay her whatever I can pay for it and that's like US dollars of Indian rupees are you know entrepreneurs are one of the awake media companies are selling some beautiful in a Persian rug next to University Avenue the original investors in in eBay and PayPal that the people who sell a ring and it has some solid air quality in the Buddhist terminology what happens in a week when your logged in are you not allowed in this is the internet today on Facebook so we know how to do that right everybody knows how to do that and you share something do you say is that route to that content forgot if that's not get Soul you make 50% 40% 30% of the money okay did you put on Pinterest yes I'm yet you losing a little their butt implant 14 countries by end of next month and by end of Q2 I'll be live in about 45 countries globally explain what is being put together okay when you post something on Pinterest that piece of content that Persian rug which is being sold by a store in Palo Alto Auto website somewhere okay yep. That's what's happening that's why you put it that you put it on Pinterest somebody's going to buy the product that's why they had Daddy's people in business everybody in the world is in business because someone is buying something and it isn't the truck goes on to Pinterest eventually somebody will buy them or anything else associated with somebody will make a purchase how many put something on Pinterest I'm just saying dentally speaking everything happens because of consumption somebody is buying something that is why the advertising model exists that's why producers in business that's why Facebook isn't because of business business of business it's a B2B platform actually okay where the money comes from be to be okay that Facebook is not getting paid by the people to free you and I don't have to pay to be on Facebook it's the business who has to try and get that is paying lots of money to Facebook and Pinterest in order to get eyeballs look like today as you know and I'll put it on Walmart at Sephora you're going to be like damn straight yes thank you very much and they be like here in fact make it lost because you know what because you how much it will be able to give you the divisibility you can make a money as well so what is happening understand this the cash flows that drive the business of business all those margins are being extracted out by somebody right at the end of the day, he's making the bridges and then make it hardly makes any money so all the middleman building the internet that get rid of the middleman the free system board was a relatively free system when it started and the sample of PayPal because I think it's it's pretty interesting went when they started out a day David ridiculed because they possibly have no risk management system and they were very very much a target of pretty much any cybercriminal anywhere like most crypto exchanges all right now a lot of VC and and a couple years to actually see the pattern and become a secure platform but once they got there they were very hard to copy it because everyone else who would build such a platform and you know all the banks were jealous of this and I'm pretty much any other is so they can about a company off of Epic exit to eBay it was very difficult to recreate PayPal because the network effect and learning that they went through for a couple years even if we recruit the same people you have to put in an algorithm that have to find to Angie's Ogle rhythms and then you have to hire the people who follow up customer service in terms of securing the PayPal flight from Payday still known for just freezing your account for no reason and that really overdone does for a couple years because of the lost that they had but it became very difficult to copy and it became a source of trust even everyone hated PayPal to send money now we have crypto but before crypto it seems to be the only simple way for businesses as well as individuals to send money on the internet around and you feel like someone could have done it but it didn't happen I'd like it once you have this network effect you with every day you have more ants in this in this network you become a bigger Monopoly and there's very little anyone else could have done about it and you know venmo is trying at this since then a couple of initiatives have happened but at least someone who would design crypto would come up with a novice something that's better than PayPal but it's slower it has the same fees if not higher and has a terrible user interface I'm like ever invented this was definitely and definately things about crooked awesome but as a replacement to PayPal and credit cards it totally failed the test yeah so high but I'm just explaining out to you the solution it's a wallet let you log in to you log into a wake you get a wallet and when you login you can log into Facebook it's a social login Universal Networks you're logging in to a new network that only does one thing and one thing only it is a network operating system for the internet which means it creates a new single Network that connects every other network into a unified whole so could I like transfer my PayPal money into awake I still don't get it I'm pretty slow with this so you got to help me out it's a little bit like you go to a website like on top of this abstraction now that it's something that I maybe be able to understand easier who are the placement test math easier to understand yes but it doesn't the 110 where the magic of the boot stopping many like I said this one's called Super Cab in Fargo North Dakota and yeah yeah and it's going to be in Minnesota does not have much of her presents notice left and it turns out that it will still need tabs it's because you see in what's happened in the last 10 years with lots of investors like you said make made money but retail investors were left in the bag and sober who act are the drivers and the fleet operators that before this had a living as bad as the system was right The Medallion system in all that in New York there was a time taxi cab companies made money you don't have to have Uber coming in bad yes yes so what super does is it is actually an Uber of Uber's you launch an Uber or super cab with super cat so if you're a sweet operator or any kind of local operator that's one wants to launch your feet yoga 20 cars can cars under cars or buses whatever you can you learn to you know your own version of the old version. Network 20/20 caps in Minneapolis and I. I would love to get individual bookings from others deeper I have the Caps available and a half dozen an app that looks like a uber and it's something that could I use the same sim convenience but has Loma lower Revenue share I don't let you know what taxes pay their on the Uber app on 30% on top of that Uber staging a ton of peas from dust from you and me so net-net if it's super drivers on more and you pay less believe it or not so you have to say you have a hundred or two hundred Fleet operators all over to your house or wherever you this is being launched they sign up and the install the app and then to get healed I guess that's how it works and then you pay inside at 95% so the other side supercab will allow you to pick any other public transport or Uber or Lyft or anything else that is available Wherever You Are and you didn't the app do you still have to pay it needed to disrupt any internet business is technology people capital and strategy and Technology Boulevard now can you stop Network that Take Back Control and money from the existing internet because the network of networks is the internet we launched new network that are powered by a single interconnected network of networks that sits on top of the existing internet Young on I mean I think I'm getting the picture a little better but so there was another company forgot the name of those towable car silver car that's competed at the beginning and they all still but that actually was bootstrapped I think it was actually a local startup forgot the name and is also the San Francisco is something called when I got capsule I like app where you can hail a cab that was basically what the local San Francisco taxi Mafia came out and then they said you know we've been doing this for centuries ago unless a crap and they don't even have professional drivers they have like people who are drunk driving in Uber and the David stinky car we we no better we've been doing this for a hundred years and so we just would but we don't have is we don't have to hailing service and that sucks because always been hard to get a taxi to communication was broken and they also a net was D I think that the biggest initial drawn to the Uber app we can see that you can see where it is so you know if it's coming to you over it's just going to abandon you and well this is a this is subsidized by the taxi industry in San Francisco that goes back and forth between it's the end of the world and Uber has done and tomorrow we going to take over I feel it has already taken off so I know you have a different approach that this same technology can be used by everyone but I wonder if you were that has such a deep penetration with people who signed off to spend all this stuff make money and giving everyone $100 basically in free credits but what was it did they feel they have the lowest cost for driver's because you know either or Food 4 Less. You don't work in that system and on the other hand or even if I think so if you would have such a new app and say it's slightly cheaper than Uber it will take forever to roll it out and doing that time on the drivers will stay over this is new Abbot School has 95% Revenue share but you know what I got like me to request in a whole year so I think I'm just going back to Uber stop so take for example Fargo the weight loss Susan Fargo is that any place where super goes the first thing he does is it crowdfunz to text Ian at TNC permit drivers make either equity in a company or three accidents in two years on that cash Stapleton abortion of a rim can be going back to and what it doesn't that the super aggregated mean that's all it does is on the other side if you're driving as well then also the referral system I didn't get a chance I said the magic is not explain so clearly with this one but basically the internet work of network allows us to split transactions on every single by order which means I can pay multiple people when it happens Kingsport I can pay people who even drove the sale no shifting gears just a dad for Consumer internet director consumer blah blah blah open system may be the last year somebody has the store where they sell these things and you saw this and you're interested in it and then somebody else comes along a year later clicked on it and doesn't buy because most people don't buy things when they see it and then maybe they might be in the market for it maybe they ain't no kind of sort of sitting back in a week or two and I buy something else maybe whatever happens because you introduced them into that Network and they clicked on your Pinterest link when they came in you get paid like 10 20 30% of that $5,000 10000 Dollar Carpet plus color is based on someone didn't I didn't I sent the initial initial traffic say I'm the one who put it up on Pinterest and I just thought I'd in a shop and I put this up on a platform and then link the traffic to someone who uses the avakin a park right and even if they buy a different Rock inside of a vignette for correct it is the Action Network login Instagram you could have been somebody who finally closes the sale and gets a portion of the available commission which could be up to 30 40 50 60% on these things like Persian rugs thousands of dollars thing happens for here and then they all sent that same Customer because he's really interested no not at all actually influenced by the exact exact about only in the bayou what's a you but you have 15 Instagram as a promoter, currently and they all they all get one click if it matters and when you click on it and then the rules that are being set by the night was the introduction the first introduction action is always known to us right is going to get less a 10% commission and the last 1/2 the question is 40% that's ever going to split it better to do people get 20/20 percentage and let's say that is going to be the person who was favored within two days 48 hours in a week you know how are you actually based on the actual activity of what drives the rules for the same is true for the AI or because you know what because the seller sets the salary of the market the market items and it also says I'll give you a 10% off at the introduction I will say this that's what I need I think I'm getting I'm getting an understanding now took me awhile let this is elevator is moving so slowly off of the existing internet and we just take the money out and put the paint and then we give it back to the people 95% connect to a network we synchronize your inventory in real-time that's it I need the order of kyc on these people because we have to pay them any currency in the world study ideas it's pretty a multi-tiered coral more democratic affiliate system is that right can you use that name because that seems early because it is not a third-party cookie base nonsense it is our first party social commerce where we share the economy itself not for sharing economy economy it says the business itself instead we share 95% of The Upside with you if okay well I think that's the end is economy I've been following a lot of Instagram influencers depending on the same Instagram addictive promos that changes if a Sunday I in based on political views it changes every day but once you get into it is mainstream of being promoted by Instagram and pick talk pretty easy to get to a pretty decent amount of followers and his followers and turn very often give you views on your content and I was the in thing started faster than Instagram even do I think a lot of this is a little fake little suspicious but what's interesting is that the way it is to monetize your traffic and it's you can stay out of traffic isn't real but just let us assume the traffic is real atoms in a sample of used if you get that's a challenge because you go through a pretty archaic system of let's do a sponsorship or let's talk about this camera or I read it yet you know it's kind of fake because you kind of want to say it supposed to kind of don't want to say it's sponsored and it puts the at the content creators who are the an asset to his platform he puts them in a turkey in a tricky position so either date of monetize it at all but then what happens if they will not put more effort in, thighs out at some point but if they could build a career out of this like many YouTubers have to solve that problem much better if you could get a multi to your way to Publix vegan referral that would call them know we have the strong referral to leave Jose on the think Everyone likes them pretty valve to the content platforms have more problems with that but if you could get a week affiliate system but you can track a bombardier multi-tiered Earl's dispute I mean that's why I kind of person is the what is called a problem problem because these platforms and agencies are recorded like bugs. is it the 50% 1 50% of your advertising spend is wasted you just know 50% is wasted and you feel like you know because you have all these analytics and use the oddest channel is crap let's just switch him off and then you realize six months later oh that was bad idea because people came through the night Channel didn't buy initially but they they learned about that part of it was really cheap traffic and actually buy so these analytics there's a lot of data what is actually very misleading because it's not really giving you the day that you want which would be cheaper appetizing an advertising on Epworth extremely expensive okay so now let's talk about that refill I say that the conversion is roughly on average 1% on the internet so when you're talkin about 50% not knowing I'm talking about being able to pay just the 1% think about it two orders of magnitude better yeah I'm talking about paying perfectly exactly for those clips you talked about fraud alert money and Yolanda Martinez operation because this is a new channel a new internet work of networks where everybody connect and represents the world's largest Salesforce everybody connect to make money and you can start promoting anything on the network and what are you do you just do what you already do you put it on Facebook and YouTube and all that money in your building Commerce is only one level I just felt it is it is something that you encourage people to to make vegan recommendations that don't immediately leave for sale and I think this is a this is a wonderful thing of one hand on the other hand I eat you can always immediately see did the societal impact that you've basically all your friends and they become advertisers and marketers for things they are they like and they want to make money off of maybe that's already the case when everybody becomes that way you're going to unfollow most people and they're going to only follow people that give you some noise and you going to automatically start finding signal because we don't want we want to find yeah that's a good point that's a good find it's kind of fascinating so I can see if everyone is always in a fracturing and coming back together fracturing and coming back together like AOL story that's exactly how I need internet the only way this so-called dissolve is by not dissolving we continue to use them just as they are but we create a new or simply the new world and it just worked on top of everything in one click well I guess you might become evil go down the same path you know what the more people sign up to wake and use this a d at the additional features you will eventually have such a strong by in that every plant from that does not have the same features and eventually you know being having the most Network ends you become the most valuable platform out there and then you you will have the same you might have the same problem that eBay has it's a good problem to have read Peter Thiel is saying to you if you don't want to build a monopoly in AT&T SIM start up isn't a good idea but he's because it's on falling up as Facebook because at some point we always thought that the the market forces will come back and and just destroy Monopoly with some of that really doesn't have the internet yet it is right Play Party 50% of today's value into a postpaid value editor 5% value added tax model which I will further drive to 1% over the next five years we create a new economy powered by the 1% this is a 1% tax on anything you do but it empowers the entire fractal everything that had to happen when they were supposed you know into the brought into the world and never happened now what happens everybody is Empower instantly you just connect finished and the old world how can I sign up how can I sign up so how do you bring this would be the biggest challenge right this this this is a wonderful idea but how do you get this into a fraction with millions of users that you can maybe do it yeah so the way I did it is I sold the company to Staples you know in 2013 and I learned from that mistake you know and so I also saw after that staple this was sold to private-equity and they're now taking them down the toilet okay then the number 3 behind Amazon and eBay in 2013 when we were required by them I was one of the youngest or the youngest VP in the history of think of the company and they made me repeat which was also a bad idea because I didn't know how to navigate to 1370 Elsa go 0 idea what does blockbuster Circuit City borders Macy's JCPenney in startups who have nothing available to change the world what's going on why would I sell a company to this less-than-perfect operators so the future is that it works everything is opposite like I just showed you where flipping them all right so because it simply engineering the outcomes of rolling up the new economy we're buying companies rolling up 300 400 500 billion dollars of Revenue in cannabis for example the Toronto Stock Exchange in summer of next year that's the first of May be a hundred plus such events that will happen in the next two years because it simply aggregation so you're going to have to call stuff back right after the first IPO is his next year I don't need it that at all representative of New Market networks in each vertical that I wanted to take me almost to 300 will get the money in a second but if you look at me. Online okay it's the new market networks social Market network with B2B to see all the way from grow to Brian to manufacturer distributor wholesaler dispensaries delivery services everybody is able to connect media companies Banks and unable to take that part of the transaction that they fulfil in real time red totally regulated market but we are operating in real time so it didn't able to people to grow their own weed and then solid white people billion dollars just in the next 12 months it's not giving me it's like everybody I didn't think big Brands Mall brand manufacturer distributor Brands Banks so when you talk about the digitization of the future that's the fundamental value destruction and creation yes I mean the DD day is the big question what would have happened without the internet monopolies and in the past and we I was just I was just talking to an entrepreneur in the Life Sciences field we we do for you so much data now and the way we do this in so many different channels are the day that is sometimes produced fours and sometimes we actively participate there's only so much of a game that we can see from the last 10 years so they is this this big Theory and I really wanted to get your opinion on Peter Thiel and Eric Weinstein are pushing designed I have to come and follow up this that since the 1970s Deborah's very little game in the total income on a gold standard if you go back to the 1970s dollar and see it scene from the gold standard we basically the minimum the average hourly earnings 1960-65 into Industries one is financed and the other one is software where you see the scalability of Pakistan hockey stick in markets taking off from kind of out of nowhere and that's probably true more for semiconductors and and it softer but it definitely has also happened to Dinah's industry they kind of are able to create products out of nowhere I make trillions with that and then some of these products is disappear the next day it's Beast but what I'm trying to get at is so meet me have that data that people put use and we should see him but this this throttling throttling but the growth of of other industries make use of the protip productivity tools that are coming mostly how to soften hard where someone always has made these industries much more productive and there is this this big debate why didn't that grows out of one definitely growing industry spill over to other Industries and especially last 10 years it feels like and this is also nothing talipes theory is that what's actually missing is we have all these days these big companies in big startup sound has zombie companies out there would be actually need is at the risk of the individual entrepreneurs to someone who comes up with the solution someone who comes up with the individual or puts knowledge that the individual has puts it for work and creates apart game that actually everyone can make yourself we have that a little bit of the internet because you feel something like a nap and then literally everyone can use it the next day and has a productivity Boost from this that happened but it somehow doesn't show up in GDP numbers or maybe see this Angeles 2011 individual numbers of people's belt is one story the real pal 12th seems not necessarily higher than 10 20 years ago. So first question would be are you or you do believe it is big stick nation into this kind of secular decline of productivity growth and the music. best business stagnation of value distribution and it's getting better and better everyday right so I wouldn't say that it's it depends on how you measure productivity and what's the reference and you know you can make it but I haven't grown people are hungry one and five children in America are hungry today today this is 20/20 this thing with this fact in the most richest country in the world so this is getting into place the u.s. icon see but that would be a little ever be a little high I would say 5% but hundreds of thousands so it's still tragedy yeah well I just did a quick Google search it ranges from 1 + 5 + 6 + 1 + 7 - 101 needs to be a big sign that says 14%. whatever the number is one in five you said 5% best jewelry store in Lehigh number in America anyway I'm not a socialist or capitalist do not going to get into that whole thing cuz they don't have good quality nutritious food that they can buy but has never been really fun to off and always felt this kind of strength it was never fond of a say an equal distribution of things or exit the food it's always been a rewarding people and sometimes people just lucky that doesn't mean the XP you did anything useful but the the the distribution was pretty obvious on the extremes you've always people have way too much and people who are debates a little that I grew up in Europe and people in Europe have a very different philosophy and they always felt this is one of the biggest America is the ability to definitely left behind in the genie factor in the way that that vaulted mean it doesn't just a lot to say about that and I mean to speak discussion right now I'm in politics and I think there's something to eat the other side of this door is it gives you motivation to to get out of your comfort zone and to become a necessity entrepreneur I think I got one but it's usually better to be a necessity entrepreneur then to work minimum wage because you have unlimited upside down going to be outside most likely won't happen but you still have unlimited upside as a work on minimum wage you have all the problems but you don't have a lot of outside so there isn't a lot of potential gains from did you do individual family entrepreneur or slower around these things can grow this business on the friend of mine here who started with this pissed his catering company that grew into a multibillion-dollar Empire over 30 years but that's what happened on the minimum wage will it happen like this is stop is the sounds when you look at this once you're honest and you see how countries all over the world have developed this drive to increase productivity based on the individual and you can feed the hungry children El Pescador de confianza Avalon preserve and I was in 5th grade spelling stuff to my class and I'm like okay this did make me very popular but it would make me a lot of money I mean that's the American dream to write mean being able to find your potential and live up to the materialist so-called East announce changing of course I want to paint any labels anywhere disappear and what remains is clarity and what it means when you looked at the internet deeply for example you said you know how it what is the gain of meditation and what happens in you is the unleashing of clarity because the beliefs and thoughts that form your filter or seeing the world vanish there for clarity lets you build and execute and be just what's needed so right now a hundred million jobs have to be created Global in the next 2-3 years and like you said how do we fix it now if you have an internet connection you can promote any of our millions of products that are coming online and they all laughed at 50% margins on them you can sit in India Africa and we can restart the economy by sitting at home yeah well that's fascinating I was just having that discussion obviously where do we go now that he is taking out over all our jobs and it makes it much cheaper and it's the van on the beginning but over time and this could this could be a big deal and I remember that time of the eBay I don't think it's true anymore but for a quite some time to micro entrepreneurship the people went to eBay and started selling stuff like this could be a baseball cards and that was a thing for a while and I think it was so much attention. So much traffic on eBay that people made a decent amount of income but they needed a platform for this aren't they couldn't do it on their own so they gave eBay 30% or 15% I think that's what it is now and all that anyone can launch let me explain quickly than a week and I put in all these people awake has a login apple and via Google Facebook. MPEG login as you enter the internet with the lawyer primarily OS which of the Flies on all devices including laptops Google and Android same thing with Facebook web server operating system based in a few sets of abs and stuff but this is what you call the internet works without an actual internet work that connects all of them so awake sits on top of everything and has an internet operating system awake OS awake o s let you build quickly build new website apps for businesses that was on eBay Google who your friends and family one click it all the software is available for everything that you would need minus the exact thing that you're doing for the company or any other company investing in this early like I said things in the next 10 years how is it going to happen just like apps okay okay so there's something like a like an App Store that you've got part of that that's inside of it and how did you get on the devices if you get this you don't have to that's the beautiful thing that 30% of something at the Apple Store where you don't get them 30% correct there for that payment system is that wallet system that we have created awake money which is also launching shortly allows you in a lab store and you are members of the fuser as if it is again I bake members you will get approved of yourself something in your app and you don't give Apple to share that with the developer on Netflix right Netflix Netflix now you launch a all ending in in is Sunday so just to be in PB for some reason that that's the name to launch a streaming service then they'll take the 30% absolute Netflix doesn't have to pay Apple anything it what I'm saying at the available on Google or on Apple or on any other or if they charge of Utah Jazz but it's one network and you're driving with your own self and we take the money and repay everybody right that's that sounds like real that's really interesting how do you how do you how do you make sure that you're worth a trillion dollars how do you how do you Foster the excellent always done whatever you wanted free to all sides so pretty yeah now if you happen to use our service B there's no need to pay anybody because it's on Netflix if you move money inside a ledger it's free globally it's a regular Legend understand this it's not good so it's not anything else happened to eat the fee bye for now you're going to power because it's The Ledger yeah that's awesome finally A system that works without fees at the El please instant doesn't need to understand some wallets and all that nonsense it just works wherever you go simple finished so you taking up PayPal to my gosh and guess what no Glaciers are being melted I actually have a very very nice and I would even going to that but it's a joke action computational cost of it generally has no value but I think they even have a value promise behind it that we kind of we at least associated with it and there was a big debate I think people take this in the early 2000s that basically went to the IRS is that we don't want to pay or texted me I was a little boy we mean by that everything money it doesn't really exist and to give them the whole Spiel and it's some point the IRS I had to read that I don't like to know what arguments they used in particular seems to actually war and Deedee will be able to issue because the central bank it's like making money out of the Netflix app that is not releasing that it's inside your own network you pay yourself open system Global Universal how do you make sure you're not being scammed because that seems to be the problem for the first couple years to make sure you're not scared of being scammed out of a couple million dollars every day because we do not believe that the actual coin or token the bills the notes that you can print that number has any real value okay so by themselves they have to be used to buy something in the system somebody must come in so in order to build any credit. I'm not at the best scientist in the world is not a supply-side thing because the supply-side imagining everything begins with because of that and then everybody gets paid the dominoes are what are you called so when money comes into your platform it's just got to be a way in right the credit cards okay that's fascinating how many people do you have right now is a few hundred people cancel let me tell you that the colonel of this operating system was designed by me on the back of the schematics of it is on the back of one sheet of paper and it has hardly a few lines of code because the Conners look up the operating the core core core because you see the universe is very very very very international marketplace you know the unification is what it means that there's only one sample pack the unification Factor once you've got the extracting here is the internet the network of Networks Big Boss Man able to track activity across the network of networks which by the way the network of networks the internet is not a free stuff open Tango. Okay you can figure out angle is able to see activity happening inside the tangle in a way that way exactly what is happening where who does what to the point that we can pay them exactly yeah that makes sense I think I lost you for the last couple of years that the whole system is able to see who did the whole thing between the page of the HVAC when you click a link it actually tells you where you're going so that the rest of the whole internet index is it based on who is pointing to whom and uses this restaurant Plains we are now in real time tracking and discarding 99.999999 clicks because they're not real interesting about but when we are in the system wanting to partake and make some money then anybody who tracks or clicks on my leg starts to get the track as well and I make money when anybody is making the sale happen because of my links yeah it's quite an abstract undertaking I mean we've been talking for a while I think I got some some element of it but them what you doing is it's kind of like creating a new universe exactly and that's why I started with meditation and I said that the Universe can be seen clearly after all the belief systems and mind removes that another station thank you for the practice and it brings you to a point of seeing things so clearly that you can create new realities do you believe in multiple universes Theory to go subscribe to limited number is only one when you go into the ground or under Neath all of this so-called manifestation that is a ground when you introspect your own self are on mine because we are not apart from nature really doesn't exist you know that it's only a single nature that's totally manifesting everything as it speaks you know if there's so many infinite Universe would ever quit be true it's true because of all these universes out there and does the centrosome on a regulation is going on in German by someone or is the simulation something that kind of happens by accident and if it is by accident excellent question do we have some free will to change the outcome or is at what point do we have the ability to change the outcome if I assume you think the idea of a singularity enough to simulate in all kinds of simulations okay know if you're able to accept that that yes machines continue to get so powerful and all that Quantum is coming and everything else then at some point they will be a singularity yes somebody is everything yes yes I have for one dozen or one does not have to think about what is reality one knows that this is not real because it is it's a hypothesis absolutely absolutely enough that we cannot distinguish assimilation from reality that you don't know so therefore one stands to reason that I agreed yes I made it well you put it in the assumptions and you kind of skipped a question that way I think they just put the original I think the original paper that was was kind of frame that way another joke another what happens if you forget the Malaysian. I think the original paper that everyone understands what we talked about the original paper which is not really famous is by Danish physicist who basically said so if if it doesn't have to be machine but beings or something conscious that will create at some point is simulation and assimilation is the simulation of other beings and if you say oh this is possible with could be possible or or it is absolutely possible because we can project our own technological progress into the next 2-3 500 maybe a thousand a thousand years but at one point you can simulated environment as you say that is so good that nobody can read his fingers reality and simulation and it's once a year does anyone to think about it for a while at you feel like while this is going to happen to redo it is kind of for children simulate a grown-up environment for them so they can and learn So eventually the reality can be built that way and then if you if you assumed that then it must have happened before unless we have literally the only Consciousness in the universe which is more and more like me and then if that happened at different timelines you know we've not a universal like 15 billion years old but things on other planets might have started a different timelines so someone else could have done that on a different timeline and could pull such a simulation and what are the odds that we are actually innocent Malaysia right now I think we are actually the universe but it was actually just a member of the real Universe I'm that busy I think that's that's kind of what I understood the original paper wasp but I think you're taking this to the next level you talkin about multiple universes now no I'm talking about the inevitability and I'm going to drop the simulation part because it relies on the waking reality as you're awake you know this is real and not not real it's not a dream for example so the dream state so that I can point to that says Hey do you even know if this is a dream or not I can make you don't know that so we don't even know why consciousnesses I like everyone is absolutely absolutely the question is you don't know you said you don't know what this is what you call information your conscious of something you cannot be not conscious Avenue going to be conscious of nothing then you cannot call the conscious conscious of our you will not know if you're conscious unless there's something to be conscious out are you can be conscious of yourself which means then who would what is it that conscious think about that okay if you stop to analyze this particular train of thought the fact remains that we don't know or waiting and Consciousness which is in both space and I can well be having this conversation with you in a dream state and you were annoyed write all in your own dream have you gone to sleep a few hours ago and in fact this is a dream in your dream I might be in your dream in fact and if you wake up none of this would have ever happened yeah I mean when you do wake up like when you wake up from some crazy dream and you wake up into this waking state in the black off thank God so it's obviously not a random thing that happens in our mind sometimes it seems that way but it's just a whole life story that happens within a dream but I obviously can't remember the details but I kind of receipt of the beginning of the end of the story that keeps on going it's like a like a like a movie from me but I draw attention to the quantum effect of attributing the existence of something the knowledge that something exists happens when you see it like Heisenberg you don't know that there is something when you see it then you say or should I saw that her changed yes right if you don't know who's going to sleep right now and you wake up in your dream now and you walk up to somebody this is your dream and you walking up somebody who you know it's like I don't know it's just a dream yeah baby ocean of your own self that says that this is in fact. Otherwise you yourself time will fit a penny okay I'm busy you dare so you're saying it is all a simulation but is there someone driving this thing or it's just raining okay and for the past the dreamer. So who has the dream in the question is whose dream the question is that in the person in your own dream invented in the dark and you said both of them are actually imaginary both of the people who sponsors I mean who's leaving whose Consciousness is the meaning less than what it actually means is that there is only Consciousness exist exist past future, the reality winner universe everything exists only in Consciousness and we experience time as we experience a dream and as you experience life and all that but for most people I I I kind of see where you going with this abstraction but for most people that is a distinct difference between dream and weakness I think this has been true you know since we know cultural since we have any transmitted longest what is much I saying that right now you would not find anybody in the world who can tell you exact date of sleep because nobody right now in the waking state is asleep yeah isn't that far nobody can actually experience the state of sleep with their all familiar with in this current state of consciousness in the waking consciousness all that is okay maybe I can meet you halfway so you think order to the world order is this is coming from Consciousness I feel that makes a lot of sense to me but we do know that this this thing is it's almost like a like a spirit that lives inside us we kind of feel like we can control it but we kind of know if you're honest I don't really know what is consciousness. Passenger on our own little and we feel like we have a lot of control in this experiment so you know where your head moves before anybody know before your mind knows all kinds of stuff and you can show people different information that didn't fill up whatever information but someone is what I've been saying right right but I somehow don't want to buy into this may be because it doesn't feel right maybe that's just what it is but I feel that is this if you think about Consciousness is the order as they at the at the essence of being and it's towards things no it if you could be controlled by like some super AI that's just what we feel as if our soul but it's actually a super AI but isn't it more likely since this seems to be taped the power in the universe to bring order to the universe or in part of the universe we are in love you think it's order let's assume for a moment that's what it is this definitely some progress at the last two thousand years isn't it possible that there is actually some Freeville that is really creating the stuff you need for the universe as a form of Consciousness that is not of atoms that sooner or later you know create something or not I think it's very unlikely that Evolution alone created all this but it definitely Drive is a Big Driver of this whole thing I think very simply the whole so-called Evolution happens within consciousness this question of Consciousness only arises in the waking state okay that that's a good way to at 2 to show there's more out there yeah but in the nun with the waking State we do create a lot of things that drive us forward to seeing the technology at least and maybe I'll see you tomorrow issues they don't necessarily we don't do research in our sleep I mean maybe we have some serendipitous inside something you got to be awake thank you you got me right now we talk about when you get free how is it Cleveland well it is because it you have the power to stay zero one yes or no that seems to be walking on the street and suddenly a bus is hurtling towards you do you not do Annalise or do you just jump out of the way before you can do it and then you get upset about how it happens what happens new one is simply something that I don't do you like red or blue this joints is it not based on your past you might have liked it not like it if you've never seen either color before can you have a preference will you adopt a good argument other words it is a good argument that otherwise there's no basis to make it I agree with you but that for you have only made decision on what based on what is already occurred you have never based it on what is actually there you only wasted on your understanding and recollection and concept of what has happened true but I am in a disappearing depressant because if you think it's true that there is no free will but I know that this train of thought but I feel that is more to it because I think about it is people you you have friends from kindergarten or from high school you go back to them and you always felt they going to develop in a certain way you sound like date that is some blow to them like some people had they wanted to be a politician and didn't even know what what they were just kids or they were just people in high school and then you see them again 20 years later if you have a good feeling for this 20 years ago it's extremely likely that they the all what they wanted to be loved every one of those people who you know do something completely different or are they married high school sweetheart and then became the the coach of the baseball team not necessarily something they wanted to do when they were they were great maybe that's what they want to do it but what I'm saying is that is that kind of predict your future and you can stay out that actually feels like three or four you not like for evil but I feel like that is something to it that drives certain people somewhere else, something that they do have given everything else the same to same school they might have the same the parents that the same thing Duvall exactly the same language and it's some of those like you you know you end up in a different country you end up changing the world I kind of by accident or at least have that plan and then you change and then you change it again it so people never do this and if you say there's no free will than you would say I was just happened and it is controlling your decision now therefore you cannot possibly have any Prevail however if you are able to see we started this conversation with what is mind and it is just information and this information is in your mind and you perceive the world through this information and the world is recorded based on your past experiences the world is this way the world is that way it's just past experiences and now you're letting those past experiences in complete memories and incomplete ideas and total nonsense dictate your every choice which is therefore no freeway in meditation I said any idea and you believe anything that doesn't mean no intelligence basic intelligence shines when nothing of starting at what upsets basic intelligence is all these stupid ideas you have or people have any idea about the world is false write we cannot possibly know what the world is and you would be able to be in that state that you or your lap 5 year old and you you have your parents getting you into meditation you could be at that point when your 10 years old has been meditating right now there is no need for that is no need for practicing it because it is a practice that says otherwise posted if you don't believe that to be true but that was that would mean that the ATP is it the past experience you can shake it at any point of time if you are able to get into this place babe and you just have to see Philly but he simply that everything you have in the past in the mind is the bus if you are able to see some plan except this life as I say it now started finished one more last question for you is your personal got feeling your personal got feeling do you feel the entrepreneurship is something you better do when you're young like 18 19 20 or better when you and your Middle Ages or when you're older given a number to Stockton what do you feel like where is the sweet spot for you feel like you can make the biggest impact yeah I would say that there is absolutely no age group of any kind whatsoever you know time is an absolute illusion you know that you need to have a certain experience so you need to know I was an experience that you can do something the fact is any experience is a limitation so when you let go of those Tarts and believes you can do absolutely anything and Entrepreneurship is a label given activity if I myself I want to do so many things and I do and I become an entrepreneur I can see that but did you benefit of not knowing like being young and that's what one of the Gannett is it is you might be you have an easier time to get into the state of a flow or whatever you want to call it that you feel like I'm really focusing on the future and the past has been the past you know for my children with 13 they think having no iPad to the Stone Age that they can't feather way that you could even try to do something about an iPad or MacBook and it is going to be out of out of their reality it's like this world cannot exist and if it existed it's basically like you're not going outside of living in the cave and but that would mean if your younger you better off a pass to either don't know because you're lazy to have to learn about it or be because you are most extreme yes exactly sure you understand the mind is most helpful to say that you're able to quickly you know not have long-standing ideas about how the world is right if I take that doesn't mean that it does. It just means that it's hard because all these other things of being a good entrepreneur the new comes along when the past is discarded then what remains is the ever knew which is the flow state from which all creativity Sprouts is nothing special we're not doing anything special edition of your own potential yeah I I like that view it's a it's a really inspiring view I think this is this is awesome do I use hair that I do think that we build a layer of technology and then we're going to be later than next layer on top of that existing there and sometimes knowing how does the lower layers work can be a hindrance that's definitely true and you know as a software developer you know that if you know too much about this text below you then it's about this but I have do because it's foggy but I just spent the last two days just debating something that you know isn't that fascinating I mean that was that was awesome thanks for joining that was a lot of inside I didn't see that coming that was way more than expected thanks for doing this. I appreciate that very much email is a MIT at awake. We see when he was setting out to build Amazon the first was the book Mall which was he was back in the day even then he was like he is now it looks like it's you're so crazy you should call it lentil is the third name of causes amazon.com but I don't own it goes to Amazon and it's the most funny thing I didn't know and anyway. Play Sons of new stuff coming with you know beautiful new software that is going to really change how people monetize themselves on the internet you can monetize your network by logging in and partaking in the new economy that sells everyone thanks again for doing this thanks for being on the show I took power to ya